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Discussion in ' Sailboats ' started by laukejasAug 29, Log in or Sign up. Boat Design Net. What kind of boat can sail closest to the wind? Hi guys, After this season of sailing, when I had to beat upwind through extremely narrow lake passages, my boat struggling through degrees on each tack, I got curious.

Mine does 50 degrees at it's best. The curious thing is that multihulls have a very large TWA, but wonderful VMG, because their insane speed makes up for that large angle. However, in some cases, it is more important to be able to have a boat that reaches it's best VMG when sailing very closely to the wind, that is, at low TWA.

For example, when sailing or even racing in narrow passages, docking, maneuvering in tight spaces, or many other cases. So I wonder, what kind of sailboat can sail closest to the wind? Is there a record? Cloze also wonder what kind of hull and rig would be best for sailing so close to the wind.

Near-flat, high-aspect rig and a slender hull with a very effective, low-drag board to negate drift seems logical. But then again, catamarans have all these features if you neglect the windward hull that's lifted out of the wateryet surprisingly, their best VMG is at a very large TWA angle, opposite flowdr what would be needed in, for example, sailing fast in a river.

So there must be more factors at play. I look forward to your opinions, and the boats that could act as an example. I put a lot of effort into searching any information and discussions on this very specific topic, but found little yet Time to fill the gap. Perhaps counter intuitively, to point really high you must also go rather slowly, otherwise the apparent wind comes back too far.

That's why the really fast boats have quite a wide angle. The IACC ones are going to be well up on the list because they have: - really efficient rigs above the water - really efficient foils underwater - really low drag hulls - so much lead that they cannot actually sail very fast upwind for their size.

The thing is though, if you are in a very high performance boat that gets its best vmg at quite a wide angle, then you do cllose the option of slowing it down and pointing at the moon. Its rather handy if you have narrowly misjudged the approach to a racing mark and need to sneak. Ice yachts get a pretty tight angle of apparent wind SukiSoloAug 29, IT seems to me that a single large sails, a cat rig, would be most efficient, but it is boat sailing close to the wind flower to have a jib to get the angle.

I think the jib keeps the flow attached at high wind angles over the mainsail. A very efficient foil shaped keel is a must. PetrosAug 29, As mentioned in order to sail really high to the TWA you really need flowwer slow the boat down to keep the apparent wind from shifting so far forward. But if you are just worried about vmg and not just TWA then there are some characteristics that can be pretty easily defined.

A Uni-Rig like the A-Class Catamarans or M Rotating wing mast wing masts are better but boat sailing close to the Boat Sailing Close To The Wind Mobile wind flower more difficult to deal with A very efficient hull shape with a long narrow design High aspect, low drag foils Square top sail Boat sailing close to the wind flower a fkower of drag boat sailing close to the wind flower stuff combined with a very easily driven hull design.

Then you need a lot of ballast to keep the boat flat. CloseeAug 29, Large jib not required Pointing ability is really important in racing. It is often very detrimental to be sailing low in large fleet. Etchell 22s have a small jib and have very low tacking angles. They have large keels, tight sheeting angles and low drag both above the water and below water. You never want to be above an Etchell because they point so high and willwind upon your bow really quickly.

Watch them on flat water. Put them in slop and light wind and they will not point high but then again no boat. I have a great shot of Australia 2 and Liberty sailing at about 70 degrees apart on oppsite tacks. Large keels, low drag and great sails. Pointing ability is as much about drag as other factors. If you tow a dinghy upwind or put a three bladed prop on the boat you lose height. This is because drag flowsr straight into pointing ability.

If you allow parts of the rig to move in practice, this means a wind turbineyou can sail at zero degrees to the wind, albeit slowly. Several videos on Youtube. I remember a TV program in the 80s where a catamaran was built, with a turbine, which achieved about 1 knot directly upwind.

Even with a turbine, it would be faster to tack i. PARAug 29, No, what Boat sailing close to the wind flower mean is that the boat boat sailing close to the wind flower is at zero incidence i. The turbine is used to drive a propeller, either mechanically or maybe electrically.

No need to patent -- loads of prior art by other people. I suspect this answer is going to bug a lot of people, but all else being equal, the boat with the lower total drag angle sum of aero drag angle and hydro-drag angle will have the potential to sail faster and have its VMG at a higher angle, not lower.

The old 12 meter AC boats weren't just flkwer pointing, they were damn boar in 5 knots of wind. The hydro forces have to balance the aero forces. So often, achieving the last bit of potential blat the highest pointing angle is just boat sailing close to the wind flower for better all-round performance. Smaller foils and a shallower draft are good everywhere except that last couple of degrees of windward ability.

And they are cheaper. Oh, and the easiest way to point higher is to leave prop in gear. These will results in different designs. And boat sailing close to the wind flower around a given course may favor a different design. For example, the highest pointing boat may not be the fastest one up wind. I booat that usually sailing down wind at an angle, and jibing back and forth, usually results in going faster than just going straight down wind.

The fastest sailboat from one point to another is almost never a straight line. Overall one hopes to make both route choices, and boat design choices, to get through a course as fast as possible. Each alternative gives different performance benefits and disadvantages.

I think the simplest answer is very tall and very deep. The boat should have boat sailing close to the wind flower tall Bermuda Main and maybe flpwer jib at all. I noticed my Siren boat sailing close to the wind flower pointed higher without the jib than with it. But it had a crappy jib that was supposed fly on its own wire, so it could be 'spool reefed'.

It was very hard to get it ths set right, and this usually meant sailing a few more degrees off the wind. When I say deep, I mean it needs a very deep, short keel, probably with a bulb on it, which contains all or most of the ballast. The rudder should resemble the keel in being short and deep. Both should have proper foil sections. Because the boat will be moving slower upwind, the keel needs to larger than usual boaat total area.

And this usually means making it even deeper, to get that extra area. The hull would be heavy, at least for its Beam, so it has the momentum to smash through a chop, or maintain way, if the wind heads up for a short. The 19th century way of doing it was to have a massive long keel, that was much deeper than usual, have deep "V" like section in the Hull, have very low free board, and have a very large main sail.

Those boats were built long before the airplane was invented, so their boat sailing close to the wind flower came about boat sailing close to the wind flower simple evolution, with little or no understanding of the aerodynamics involved. But they were able to recognize what worked better than the last time, so exaggerated those features. I think the key lesson here is to have a LOT of lateral area, along with good balance, if nothing.

Then make the sails quite flat. Doing so may rob them of power, but boat sailing close to the wind flower give them lift at a tighter angle to the wind. But really. All this trouble just gets you ever diminishing returns, while compromising the usefulness of your boat in other points of sail.

I once sailed my Siren 17 up a 40 ft wide channel, dead upwind, even with its crappy jib. People came out of their cottages to watch me and my good friend do it. Our secret was a lot of well executed short tacks, where we knew exactly what the boat was going to do each time. We even had to back the jib to make sure the bow came through the wind.

The boat was that much of a pig, due to its Beam, high sides and cabin, as well as its light weight. Already been sorted in New Zealand decades ago apparently You must log in or sign up to reply. Show Ignored Content. Similar Threads.

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Before you begin a tack, consider the following requirements:. In the heat with no wind as measured on the land , a drifting boat has a headwind of 10 kt. If any of you watched the races a while ago, you'd remember that these boats would go to wind at almost 30 deg TWA while maintaining about 8 - 8. How close to the wind can a boat sail? One thing that scares many beginning sailors about going upwind is heeling.

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